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      User_f6ec44a2
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        March 1, 2025 at 10:53 pm
        Related to loan,We had no choice but to pay ₹7.25 lakhs on 18.02.2025, as per a one-time settlement letter issued for a loan default of ₹9.75 lakhs. We paid the loan on said day.The bank claimed this payment would release the loan from NPA status and resolve the mortgage. Meanwhile, a case was ongoing at the District Consumer Forum regarding this loan. The bank manager pressured my mother (the loan owner) not to pursue legal action further, insisting we wouldn’t win at the district level or state commission. He assured her he’d ensure the mortgage was released smoothly if we complied.

        However, the district forum dismissed our case for flawed reasons, despite it being strong. We’re considering escalating to the State Commission due to clear service deficiencies. But here’s the issue: the bank hasn’t provided any acknowledgment, loan closure letter, or mortgage release yet (as of 02.03.2025). My mom fears that if we approach the State Commission, the manager might demand an additional ₹3 lakhs to “release everything,” as he allegedly threatened us before.

        Should she file a consumer case within the next 20 days against the dismissed district court decision? Any advice on how to proceed without falling prey to further exploitation would be greatly appreciated.

      • #43820 Reply
        Quickvinay1270
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          March 2, 2025 at 2:07 am
          One of the main conditions of any OTS agreement is that all parties withdraw any pending legal action against each other.

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            Quickvinay1270
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              March 2, 2025 at 2:11 am
              From the above, the bank has already taken a hair cut of Rs. 2.50 lakhs. I don’t think any consumer forum would pay so much in damages.

              If you delay withdrawing the case, the bank has every right to demand repayment of the waived amount on the grounds of non-compliance to terms and conditions.

            • #43824 Reply
              User_f6ec44a2
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                March 2, 2025 at 7:25 am
                But OTS was done after one month of complaint in the district forum. It was only after we approached the district consumer court that the bank issued a physical possession notice giving us 5 days to act, making an re appeal in the same case how can bank not release mortgage or loan closure certificate even after 20 days of OTS.

                • #43828 Reply
                  Quickvinay1270
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                    March 2, 2025 at 8:11 am
                    Do you have an OTS sanction letter with you? If so, what are its terms and conditions?

                    If there is no OTS sanction letter, then get one immediately. Bank can always claim that no OTS was sanctioned to you and you are liable to pay the entire amount in default.

                    Timing of OTS offer doesn’t matter. Bank can always claim OTS was offered to reduce litigation (the district forum case) .

                    • #43830 Reply
                      User_f6ec44a2
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                        March 2, 2025 at 8:50 am
                        Yes I have ots sanction letter it states the loan would be closed if one time settlement is done within 30 days from the issued date that is 18.02.2025. we paid full amount on 18.02.2025, except a signature we paid the amount on the same letter by bank manager with date, we didn’t receive any acknowledgement, closure of loan and mortgage attached to it. After the request, he said it is in process. What further steps can I do to immediately receive my mortgage?

                        • #43833 Reply
                          Quickvinay1270
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                            March 2, 2025 at 9:04 am
                            Please provide all the terms and conditions of the sanction letter. Ideally a copy with PII redacted would be helpful

                  • #43819 Reply
                    User_ad92eb49
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                      March 2, 2025 at 2:59 am
                      you are a defaulter .
                      The sad state of our nation is that defaulters will get such ots ( at any level ) and won’t pay the dues to bank .
                      recovery should be strict

                      • #43823 Reply
                        User_f6ec44a2
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                          March 2, 2025 at 3:26 am
                          Man you don’t know the whole case still blabbering, let me details it how bank scammed us then you decide who is the defaulter:

                          Whole Loan timeline Summary:
                          2010: Loan Origination
                          Borrower and guarantor approached the bank for an education loan .
                          The bank required a mortgage as collateral and disbursed the loan.
                          Bank’s Breach : The bank failed to comply with mandatory clauses in the loan agreement, specifically the requirement to purchase insurance policy (a critical safeguard in case of borrower death) as they only need mortgage which can cover any case.

                          2011: Borrower’s Death
                          The borrower passed away after two disbursements.
                          The guarantor informed the bank about the borrower’s death and requested the closure of the loan .
                          Bank’s Breach : Instead of recalling the loan as per the agreement, the bank kept the loan open and took no action.

                          2011–2016: Bank’s Inaction
                          For five years , the bank did nothing to address the loan or its status.
                          Bank’s Breach : The bank failed to recall the loan or take any steps to resolve the matter, despite the borrower’s death and the terms of the agreement.

                          2017: Legal Proceedings Begin
                          The bank approached the sub-judice court , claiming the moratorium period was over and that the guarantor was now liable for the loan.
                          Guarantor appeared for 70+ hearings , citing the insurance clause and arguing that the bank had breached the agreement.
                          Bank’s Breach : The bank only appeared for 5 hearings , showing minimal effort in pursuing the case.

                          2020–2025: SARFAESI Proceedings and NPA Declaration
                          In 2020 , the bank initiated SARFAESI proceedings , declaring the loan a Non-Performing Asset (NPA) —9 years after the borrower’s death .
                          Guarantor believed the ongoing sub-judice court case would resolve the matter and waited for the judgment.

                          In January 2025 , the guarantor learned about the possibility of filing a complaint in the consumer court as a in party person and made some mistakes while filing and arguing.

                          In February 2025 , the bank issued a physical possession notice , giving the guarantor just 5 days to act. Under pressure, the guarantor opted for a settlement (OTS ).
                          The consumer court dismissed the complaint, citing improper filing and arguing procedures by the complainant.

                          Key Points of Contention
                          Insurance Clause Violation : The bank failed to ensure the mandatory insurance policy was in place, leaving the loan unprotected in the event of the borrower’s death.
                          Failure to Recall Loan (2011) : After the borrower’s death, the bank did not recall the loan as per the agreement.
                          Delayed Action (2011–2016) : The bank sat idle for five years, allowing interest and penalties to accumulate unnecessarily.
                          Selective Participation in Court Hearings : The bank appeared for only 5 out of 70+ hearings, showing negligence in pursuing the case.
                          Unjustified NPA Declaration (2020) : Declaring the loan an NPA nine years after the borrower’s death is questionable, especially when the case was already in court.

                          See how a 10k cr worth bank indulged in fraudulent activities to recover 3 lakh worth loan and hide its own mistake.

                          Give us one reason why we should be liable for loan.

                          • #43827 Reply
                            User_ad92eb49
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                              March 2, 2025 at 11:12 am
                              Don’t fake this much !
                              First of all educational loan never come under the purview of SARFAESI Act.
                              Second , it’s a collateral free loan.
                              Again , if such loan has to be insured, it’s on borrower.

                              I have all the sympathy for a loss of life but instead of writing long paragraphs here bank should have got all the due amount with interest ( NO OTS please ) .

                        • #43818 Reply
                          Mightytiger4160
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                            March 2, 2025 at 4:54 am
                            1. Insurance covering the loan isn’t mandatory. Banks usually waive it off on the borrower’s insistence.

                            2. Recalling the loan is the Bank’s call. Education loans are usually given jointly in the name of students and guardians. In this case, maybe the guardian died and the bank didn’t want the student’s study to suffer and decided to continue the loan.

                            3. Guarantor is equally liable for the repayment of the loan. Banks also can approach the Guarantor directly, without making any recovery efforts from the borrower.

                            4. Only after the interest/principal moratorium ended *(course period of whichever degree that was being pursued + 6 to 12 months)*, the repayment becomes due. The loan must have become NPA during this period, and exercising SARFAESI is well within the Bank’s rights.

                            5. There are no apparent service deficiencies, as prompt repayment/pre-closure of the loan was as much as the responsibility of the borrower/guarantor.

                            6. After the OTS settlement, Bank would have no issues in releasing the mortgage.

                            7. Bank Manager isn’t threatening you. He is merely following the recovery procedure.

                            You may approach any tribunal, as per your understanding of the case but since the OTS amount is already paid it is advisable to not spend any further time and effort on this.

                            • #43822 Reply
                              User_f6ec44a2
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                                March 2, 2025 at 4:57 am
                                Sir, but I have the particular education loan agreement that clearly mandates all claims and prove every breach of bank happened

                                • #43826 Reply
                                  User_60efe05b
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                                    March 2, 2025 at 5:17 am
                                    1. I think you are an idiot. Insurance is not madatory. Show me the clause which states its mandatory.

                                    2. To close the loan did you repay the outstanding in 2011 and asked for a no dues certificate?

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                                          User_60efe05b
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                                            March 2, 2025 at 5:24 am
                                            Share your loan agreement text. Some other parties agreement doesnt pertain to you.

                                            • #43834 Reply
                                              User_f6ec44a2
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                                                March 2, 2025 at 5:32 am
                                                Carefully read it I have cited one more state commision case on similar grounds attached the particular judgement at last

                                                1)Deficiency in Service by Breaching Loan Agreement
                                                To understand this, let us first look at Clause 6 of the Loan Agreement, which states:
                                                “The Borrower will take out a life insurance policy in his/her name for an amount at least
                                                equal to the total amount of the loan granted or agreed to be granted to him/her and will
                                                keep the said policy alive at all times during his/her indebtedness to the Bank, by regular
                                                payment of premia thereon. He/she will assign the said policy in favour of the Bank. In
                                                case the Borrower commits default in payment of any premium due on his/her said life
                                                policy, the Bank shall be at liberty to (but not bound to do so) pay the same and debit
                                                the amount so paid to his/her loan account. The amount so debited will form part of the
                                                loan and will carry interest at the rate payable in respect of the loan as specified in par

                                                The first two lines talk about who must take life insurance, the amount, in whose favour,
                                                and the timeframe. Let us dissect one by one:
                                                • Who: The borrower must take life insurance.
                                                • Amount: It must be equal to the loan amount granted.
                                                • Favour: It must be assigned in favour of the bank.
                                                • Timeframe: The policy must be always kept alive during the borrower’s
                                                indebtedness to the bank. Since the borrower’s debt starts right after loan
                                                disbursement, the policy should be in place on or before loan disbursement.
                                                So, it clearly states that:
                                                “On or before loan disbursement, a mandatory life insurance policy in favour of the
                                                bank, equal to the loan amount granted, must be taken by the borrower.”
                                                Now, let us discuss what happened with the loan:
                                                • The loan defaulted as the borrower had passed away.
                                                • The recovery mechanism for the bank in this situation was to invoke the
                                                insurance policy. However, the bank found that no insurance was attached to the
                                                loan.
                                                But as per the loan agreement, the loan should only be disbursed after ensuring that
                                                insurance with sanctioned amount is attached to the loan.

                                                Another state commision case judgement where home loan borrower died:
                                                “If the opposite party failed to secure necessary documents in this regard(insurance) before the disbursing
                                                the loan amount certainly it would be the deficiency of service on their part.”

                                                • #43835 Reply
                                                  User_60efe05b
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                                                    March 2, 2025 at 5:55 am
                                                    You lack basic comprehension skills, did I ask for judgement?

                                                    • #43836 Reply
                                                      User_f6ec44a2
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                                                        March 2, 2025 at 6:26 am
                                                        Man, 1st whole set is my case related insurance clause and explanation ends right before before judgement point and it is totally related to my case ( last two lines stated another judgement on similar ground)

                                                        • #43837 Reply
                                                          User_9e5e24f0
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                                                            March 2, 2025 at 6:49 am
                                                            Decisions rendered by one state Commission are not binding on different state Commission. It can only have a persuasive value.

                                                            • #43838 Reply
                                                              User_f6ec44a2
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                                                                March 2, 2025 at 6:51 am
                                                                This state commission case judgement done by tn state commission, if I have to do reappeal then I have to approach tamil nadustate commison

                                                              • #43839 Reply
                                                                User_9e5e24f0
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                                                                  User_9e5e24f0
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                                                                  March 2, 2025 at 6:56 am
                                                                  No you cant go to TN state commission. You can only approach the state commission in your state. You are bound by the jurisdiction of your state Commission.

                                                                • #43840 Reply
                                                                  User_f6ec44a2
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                                                                    March 2, 2025 at 6:58 am
                                                                    I am from tamil nadu and district complaint filed in salem, which state commission I should approach?

                                                                  • #43841 Reply
                                                                    User_9e5e24f0
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                                                                      User_9e5e24f0
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                                                                      March 2, 2025 at 7:01 am
                                                                      If that is the case then decision of Tamilnadu State Commission will be applied on you also. Appeal should be filed to Tamilnadu State Commission. hire good lawyer over there.

                                                          • #43831 Reply
                                                            Urbanmaster5680
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                                                              March 2, 2025 at 10:48 am
                                                              Go find a reputable lawyer. Don’t argue online. Might not help much.

                                                    • #43817 Reply
                                                      User_9665dede
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                                                        March 2, 2025 at 6:35 am
                                                        Insurance is not mandatory.even though the bank insist its upto the customer to take insurance.

                                                      • #43816 Reply
                                                        User_9e5e24f0
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                                                          User_9e5e24f0
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                                                          March 2, 2025 at 6:37 am
                                                          Don’t become guarantor in loans you can’t afford to repay.

                                                        • #43815 Reply
                                                          User_fc74bdec
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                                                            March 2, 2025 at 7:46 am
                                                            Liability insurance is not mandatory
                                                            Recalling the loan is banks decision
                                                            Education loan will become NPA after moratorium

                                                            • #43821 Reply
                                                              User_f6ec44a2
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                                                                March 2, 2025 at 7:56 am
                                                                Loan agreement clause 3 mandates life insurance for education loan & clause 3 mandates loan to be marked as completed in these circumstances

                                                            • #43814 Reply
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                                                                March 2, 2025 at 7:54 am
                                                                So your entire argument is based on the “insurance clause violation” which is ‘mandatory’ as per you?

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