Change my view: misandrist laws exist because misogynist men exist

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        January 29, 2025 at 12:03 am
        Quite frequently I come across posts on Reddit where the man is very obviously at fault, for example not marrying his gf of years just because his family didn’t like her, not keeping his promise of moving to a separate house post marriage, showing controlling attitude over the wife etc. in all these kind of posts the man is portrayed as some simple minded innocent boy while the woman is painted as a manipulative vindictive witch for daring to stand up for herself and her rights. What’s more troubling is that 99% of the commenters side with the man, calling the woman gold digger, narcissist and what not and encourage the man to record all interactions with the woman and to hire a good lawyer who can make sure the divorce goes smoothly and he doesn’t have to pay any alimony.

        The men on Reddit seem to have no sense of reality. First of all, <0.001% of women enter into a marriage with the intention of swindling their husband for money. Secondly, the concept of a happy life post divorce is a tier-1 city, upper middle class concept. In 99% areas, communities and societies in India divorced women and women with pre marital relationships are looked down upon and are ostracised by society. A divorcee woman has zero chance of remarriage, a woman whose bf did not marry her will never be able to convince another man to marry her. Apart from the woman her entire family will be social pariahs and will negatively affect their siblings marriage too. It’s for women like these who have to face misogyny because the men in their lives ditched them that women centric laws exist. And also for the tier 1, upper middle class ladies whose husbands have obviously wronged them.

        But the misogynist men on Reddit are quick to label every woman as opportunist and manipulative and they have this view that any woman who initiates divorce is doing so to get her husband’s money and property. Until we can get rid of this misogynist thinking and stop being biased against divorcee and non virgin women of all societal classes, only then can we think of making laws more gender neutral.

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          January 29, 2025 at 12:26 am
          Men or Women of reddit ain’t gonna change anything.

          Misandrist law exist because of misandrist people (including judges of SC/HC).

          Forget about reddit for a moment and Look up any PIL filed for gender neutral laws. All of them were rejected.

          All the divorce hearing have benefitted women.
          Women do have chance of marriage after divorce. Lookup any matrimony website and see the number of divorced profiles.

          After divorce, when men have lost big chunck of life and living with trauma. Not many are daring again to get married. Some of them are looking to partner with divorced women.

          Stats and Facts are simple. Misogyny exist and so does misandry. We can’t change your mind unless you want to lookup real facts and numbers.

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              January 29, 2025 at 12:30 am
              Being from a tier 2 city with majority of my family living in villages I can personally vouch for how divorced women are treated in these societies. No woman enters a marriage with the intention of divorce and will do everything to prevent it. In these societies the divorced men still have some semblance of a normal life while for the women it’s pure hell

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                  January 29, 2025 at 12:33 am
                  > In these societies the divorced men still have some semblance of a normal life while for the women it’s pure hell

                  True. I can understand what’s happening in Tier 2 cities. It’s hell.

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                    January 29, 2025 at 12:49 am
                    💯

                    U personally know someone where the guy got married and has a daughter with the new wife. While his 1st wife is left to fend for herself. Not a penny in alimony.

                    Ground reality is far from what you guys are projecting.

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                    January 29, 2025 at 1:20 am
                    Those laws exist because of the sheer rate of sexual violence and abuse women suffer at the hands of men, their husband’s families and society which is again mainly controlled by men.

                    The lives of women in India are hellish and neutral justice in the face of overwhelming social and economic injustice is just adding to the fire.

                    Misandry is BS people who don’t want women to get justice bring up.

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                        January 29, 2025 at 3:19 am
                        > Misandry is BS people who don’t want women to get justice bring up.

                        Men are not getting justice or rights on silver platter. Touch some grass.

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                            January 29, 2025 at 3:24 am
                            They are getting more than justice. They are getting away with violent and sexual crimes. It’s partial treatment by any metric.

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                                January 29, 2025 at 4:54 am
                                So when women get biased legal protections, it’s ‘justice,’ but when they exploit those same laws, it’s just an inconvenient detail? Partial treatment is partial treatment – doesn’t matter who benefits.

                                Or is fairness only a concern when it’s men on trial, misandrist Karen?

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                                    It’s ironic that you’re calling her misandrist given the fact that you victim blame women for being victims of domestic violence of their drunkard husbands. I didn’t know being a men’s right activist is equal to stripping the human rights of women by not holding the men accountable for their wrong actions.

                                    [context ](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/s/RjfhcScMN9)

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                                        January 30, 2025 at 1:12 pm
                                        Oh, the irony? The real i-r-o-n-y is you defending someone who was busy throwing Margot Robbie under the bus and **handing out “misogyny” and “creepy” labels like free samples**. If pointing that out makes me unfair, then I guess misandry is just invisible to you.

                                        Thanks for the link to my comment. I appreciate it. **Many people from your group who like to slander others often forget to provide the context**.

                                        So, about my joke – maybe you should take a breath and read it again *without* the outrage filter. The article gave a completely one-sided sob story, completely ignoring the husband’s perspective. Given how high male suicide rates are, asking *what drove them to alcoholism* isn’t “victim-blaming”—it’s just wanting the *full* story. But I get it – acknowledging that men can be victims too doesn’t fit your narrative, does it?

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                                  January 29, 2025 at 4:52 am
                                  Lol, So laws shouldn’t be neutral because society is unfair? By that logic, men should get biased laws too since they face higher suicide rates, false accusations, and harsher punishments. Or does ‘justice’ only work one way – when they work in your favor? Keep coping, misandrist Karen!

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                                      January 29, 2025 at 5:23 am
                                      Neutrality in law when dealing with unfairness favours the criminal. As it already does.

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                                          January 29, 2025 at 5:44 am
                                          Female criminals go scott free today! This has increased the number of criminals and twisted minds walking amongst the innocent.

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                                    January 29, 2025 at 12:54 am
                                    yet beong a misandrist is socially accepted e.g they celebrated cause a man doed but did not see the justice died as well

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                                        January 29, 2025 at 1:11 am
                                        another one … vlwhen margot robbie gave birth her days old baby was gettimg hate for being a boy

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                                            January 29, 2025 at 1:21 am
                                            Not even Indian. So fucking obscure.

                                            Misandry seems to be so rare you need to be a creep to find out about it.

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                                                January 29, 2025 at 1:55 am
                                                see when provided proof u get labelled as a creep

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                                                    January 29, 2025 at 2:00 am
                                                    Proof of a couple of people online talking about some actress’s child? I am shocked.

                                                    And yeah, if you’re going to be go to places where they showcase stuff like this to keep your bubble alive, you are a creep.

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                                                        January 29, 2025 at 2:10 am
                                                        ok sexist

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                                                            January 29, 2025 at 2:14 am
                                                            The words of a creep have no weight.

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                                                                January 29, 2025 at 2:39 am
                                                                Ironic.

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                                                                  January 29, 2025 at 4:21 am
                                                                  thats y u r losing mate

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                                                                      January 29, 2025 at 5:27 am
                                                                      Wouldn’t be the first time Indian creeps banded together. lol. There are videos of you.

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                                                                          January 29, 2025 at 7:00 am
                                                                          it aint banding together moron u just cant prove y my point is wrong

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                                                                            January 29, 2025 at 8:04 am
                                                                            There are those who benefit from sexism and those who lose. Women lose and men gain from sexism.

                                                                            There’s no point discussing this with creeps like you though. You have no interest in reality. Just make believe.

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                                                                      January 29, 2025 at 4:41 am
                                                                      Margot Robbie is not an obscure actress, lmao and she’s a vocal advocate for women’s rights. **Amazing how misandrist hypocrites like you are willing to throw your own under the bus just to protect your argument**. Serious integrity crisis, Karen!

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                                                                    January 29, 2025 at 2:06 am
                                                                    saying misandry is rare under a comment stating a baby being victim of sexism is wild

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                                                                        January 29, 2025 at 2:14 am
                                                                        You’re proving my point. Stop being a creep.

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                                                                            January 29, 2025 at 3:49 am
                                                                            u hve presented no points in this argument , u just called me misogynist n creep , which hve nothing to do in the post of ‘sexist laws agianst men are due to sexist men ‘

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                                                                              January 29, 2025 at 4:44 am
                                                                              Hiding behind the word ‘creepy’ to dodge accountability, lol. You’re having a bit of a creephoria moment, isn’t it? want to try again with logic?”

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                                                                      January 29, 2025 at 12:55 am
                                                                      OP – the framing of your post is problematic. You’re framing the issue like slapping a “misogynist” label on anyone who disagrees will somehow solve the real complexities. It doesn’t. **Ironically, your post reads more like a manifesto for misandry than a critique of misogyny** 😂

                                                                      – Calling anyone who questions women-centric laws a “misogynist” is a stretch. Misogyny means active hatred or discrimination against women, not just criticism of laws or skepticism about how they’re applied.

                                                                      – Cultural norms around divorce and women’s roles are sometimes an issue, but **laws exist to address legal inequities not to fix social and cultural attitudes**. We should tackle cultural change separately from legal **Don’t mix them**.

                                                                      – Women play a big part in perpetuating harmful cultural norms and in enforcing these expectations. Ignoring that only oversimplifies the issue and misses the main point.

                                                                      – If you **own up to the fact that women play a big role in perpetuating harmful stereotypes** – it would open the door to a more **honest discussion** about how everyone contributes to these norms and in my view, that’s the **first step toward finding real solutions**.

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                                                                        January 29, 2025 at 12:57 am
                                                                        Is this a legal sub ?

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                                                                          Is this a legal sub ?

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                                                                            January 29, 2025 at 1:34 am
                                                                            you are trigerred for men saying some women are manipulate but u could call someone incel if they question how majority of indian men are generalized in reddit.

                                                                            I am also from tier – 2 india just because that part of india is conservative that does not mean u should still keep laws with loopholes and u can’t just ignore them and not recognise them as demostic violence victim or a sexual assault victim.

                                                                            India has 40% of the peopluation in metro cities and u can’t just ignore those people.

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                                                                              Men commit crimes, so Jail all men. Happy ?

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                                                                                January 29, 2025 at 1:49 am
                                                                                So you’re justifying misandrist laws because of misogyny in society? Individual men shouldn’t be discriminated against because of other men who might be misogynistic, and men also have the right to break up with their gfs.

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                                                                                  Anyone who doesn’t support gender neutral laws is a rapist who is looking for an opportunity to exploit men. Change my view.

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                                                                                    The men are asking for advice and taking precautions against said laws while the women are whining and complaining about things being everyone’s fault except their own. Nothing new here. You have an entire legal system rigged in your favour so imagine how badly you need to fuck up for the system to say nope.

                                                                                    Thousands are sharing the same experience and you can conveniently ignore all of them because everyone who disagrees with you is misogynistic. When a woman harasses and abuses her husband to the point of suicide she deserves every bit of criticism and shaming that society has. She should be held up as a warning label and every woman like that should be completely avoided and kept away from marriage.

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                                                                                        January 29, 2025 at 2:16 am
                                                                                        Very well said. Spot on!

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                                                                                        Say it louder for those at the back.

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                                                                                          The problem is not the laws, it’s the legal system. Why do Indians find it so hard to hold onto this one simple fact.

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                                                                                            January 29, 2025 at 2:32 am
                                                                                            OP you are absolutely correct and there was a recent study in Norway. I cannot find it.

                                                                                            It concluded that countries with high levels of gender equality (e.g., Scandinavian nations) tend to have lower instances of gender-based discrimination in legal matters. Laws related to custody, divorce, and criminal justice are generally applied more equitably when gender norms are more balanced

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                                                                                              Well said, OP.

                                                                                              Here come the downvotes.

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                                                                                                January 29, 2025 at 2:44 am
                                                                                                You’ve raised valid concerns about the stigma women face post-divorce, especially in conservative societies. However, framing misandrist laws solely as a reaction to misogynist men overlooks key realities:
                                                                                                1. Misuse of Laws Is Real: Data shows 5.65% of Section 498A cases are false, with many more ending in acquittals and 95 percent end in settlements. 83,713 married men died by suicide in 2022—nearly 3 times the number of married women—many citing legal harassment. Misuse harms genuine victims of all genders by diluting the credibility of laws.
                                                                                                2. Men Also Face Abuse: Studies show 51.5% of men report partner violence, yet laws like the Domestic Violence Act exclude them entirely. Justice should be about addressing abuse—not assuming only one gender suffers.
                                                                                                3. Gender-Neutral Laws Benefit Everyone: Misandrist laws don’t help genuine women victims—they waste resources fighting false cases and undermine trust in the legal system. Countries like the UK have gender-neutral domestic abuse laws that ensure all victims are protected without reducing women’s safeguards.

                                                                                                Misogyny and misandry are both rooted in societal failures. A balanced, gender-neutral framework isn’t about taking away women’s rights—it’s about ensuring justice for everyone.

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                                                                                                  January 29, 2025 at 3:24 am
                                                                                                  everyone who i don’t like is a misogynist ahh

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                                                                                                    Glad you agree OP that the laws are misandrist.

                                                                                                    Statistics you pulled out are quite bull shit though. 0.001% of women intending to marry are cheats, where did you pull that from exactly? Also 99% of divorces are ostracized, where the heck could you get those numbers from ?

                                                                                                    You just mentioned that divorce is a tier 1 concept. Good you mentioned that because though the divorce rate in India is just around 1%, urban cities sees a blistering 30% divorce rate. We all know rural women are the ones who see the worst side of domestic violence, etc. yet they have no idea of the laws like 498a etc. yet it’s mostly the urban women who are educated and married to decent salaried men who are divorcing and completely abusing the laws. Lawyers are readily available to milk the laws for such women.

                                                                                                    Why do such cases mostly happen to men with good salary and decent net worth ?? Why does it not happen often with lower middle class men ???

                                                                                                    Laws are not utilized where they should be, and they are abused where they don’t apply, it’s as simple as that.

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                                                                                                      While what you say is true regarding blatant misogyny in society , you cannot cure one evil by introducing another. The reason misandrist law exist is because our simple minded gov and judiciary does not know how to tackle the misogyny , so they come up with a lazy solution of misandry…look at alimony for example , alimony is most basic tool needed for upliftment of women specially homemaker, but our system failed to regulate it properly and now scum women and lawyers take advantage of men while women in tier 3 cities and village keep suffering.

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                                                                                                        I agree,misandrist people exists but there is no law for men ( forget law, In India violence domestic violence, sexual assault, molestation against men not even recognized and lastly paternity fraud)

                                                                                                        Attaching the latest news on paternity fraud

                                                                                                        [Presumption That Husband Is Father Of Child Born During Marriage Not Displaced Even If Wife Had Relations With Another Man : Supreme Court

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