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USomewhere around 1-1.5 lakh fake cases of dowry are filed every year as per section 498a. Usual fees and commission (Police, judge, lawyers) from the settlement range from 10-20 lakhs in each case.
As per the above data every year this divorce industry generates around Rs. 30000 Crore ($3.5 billion).
As you can see, don’t dare to think laws will become neutral in the future.
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P**Business Idea** thoko fake cases under various IPC sections on upper middle class people and watch the money roll in !!
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UAfter reading this post, something else struck my mind—a post I was reading this morning (this one-https://www.reddit.com/r/AskIndianWomen/s/cR3mnp3ctu) It made me think about a few things:
1. The title sets up a comparison, but the body says it’s not a men vs. women issue. This feels contradictory.
2. From her writing style I’m getting a tone that she’s considering all those men who kill themselves as collateral damage for something Greater good.
3. The post frames society like it’s still the 1960s, but we should see victims as victims, regardless of gender.
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SWomen are always biased in favor of thier kind. Gender equality suddenly goes out of the window when they’re the ones benefitting from injustice. As such, this type of gaslighting and randi-rona to justify biased sexist laws and judicial precedents is extremely common in female dominated subs.
Worse, they have also hijacked neutral subs like r/india and r/askindia in recent times, with female mods actively deleting posts/comments even remotely critical of women or regarding men’s rights
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UNice work, can you please open source the dataset or tell us the source of data, as a cs grad i would love to explore it. Thanks
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Uyour question is legit bro . Don’t know why are you getting downvoted like crazy . All because you simple asked for the dataset
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USource h na.. internet ka gyaan..baithe baithe yahi sochte rhte h..rape case FAKE h saare, dowry case FAKE h saare.. humpe aankch na aaye koi.. bahar nikal ke dekhte to pta chlta kya fake h kya real h
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UThats some crazy stats even if it has an error margin of +/- 50%.
Also, to the $3.5B of divorce revenue, also add the marriage industry revenue 2x since people will obviously marry again and you have a GDP of a decent size country.
(2 X Marriage) + Divorce = A Booming industry in India
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UI was watching Suits (a Netflix series on lawyers and law firms).
They had a separate division for high net worth divorces 🤣🤣
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ULove Suits. It’s funny to see how the legal system is so much different and better outside of India. I know it’s a show but it definitely carries a realistic picture of courts in the States.
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UNo. Divorce cases are bad even in USA. But, yes, they are at least better than India. Also, a lot of other laws are better there.
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UI believe bad as in many ? Remember, They got prenups and also their structure of alimony is crystal clear so even before marriage you would know what would happen if and when divorce happens. So it’s a known thing to the couple that they can’t cheat the system. Biggest thing… it’s gender neutral.
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UYes. It is good on paper. But, a lot of Americans have said that courts generally favour women 99% of the time. It is a lot better than India, but not as good either.
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UI don’t agree there. how can court favor woman when the law is so clear … alimony goes 50-50 from both of their assets. If wife isn’t working even then she gets an equitable contribution. Children also are given equal visitation rights unless one of the parents is a coke head. Yes it could be a hassle untangling the mixed assets but that’s a technical problem.
I have yet to see a case where woman filed a fake case against husband in US and husband was jailed.. usually wife goes to jail after the trial if so found. Also, courts there aren’t based on “she said”, it’s all evidence. Atleast that’s what my reading, friends living abroad and personal talks with folks there have told me.
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U>I don’t agree there.
Like I said, laws are much better there. Mainly because, courts follow logic instead of emotion. But, that is what I have heard from Americans over the internet (Reddit, Quora, YouTube,etc.) where they were discussing cases about how women misused the law to get divorced, with a bulk of alimony.
>I have yet to see a case where woman filed a fake case against husband in US and husband was jailed.
There will be a few instances where husband was jailed without cause. But, if the law finds out that woman was lying, there will be serious consequences for the woman. Forget America, in Singapore, a girl was made to pay Rs 1 lac and jailed for some years because she filed a fake case against her boyfriend. In India, a girl may not even get any punishment. Worst case, she was asked to pay Rs 1000/- as fine.
>Atleast that’s what my reading, friends living abroad and personal talks with folks there have told me.
Yes. Your friends are correct. The laws for alimony there are fantastic, because they are logical. But, there were some talks from some sources that I heard.
And whatever it is, there is no stupid law in America that a child born out of wife’s affair will be a legal child of the husband. Also, there are no alimony for wife in case of affair. But, here our milords smoke pot when they take decisions.
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UWhat about the real dowry cases where the girl’s family HAS to arrange atleast 25-30lacs to marry her in a good family.. still the groom’s side is unsatisfied somehow. The girl has to face god knows how much pressure,bullying,torture,abuse etc + plus her family’s whole life goes in vain repaying the loans they took for her marriage. Theek baat hai fake dowry case me Paisa jata h..pr hr dusri shaadi me dahej chlta h..aur usme ldki ki jaan tk jaati h..maa baap ki zameenein,izzat sbkuch daanv jata h uska kya.. fake ye case fake vo case..itna prevalent to mt kro k ldki kuch b bole to FAKE hi hoga ye norm jaaye
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UWho told the girl and her family to get married? Who told her to say yes to dowry?
A girl and her family can definitely say no to marriage if the guy’s family is demanding dowry right? I believe 498a must be punishable to both the parties. Girls’ and guys are both culprits in continuous practice of dahej pratha
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BBecause the need to get a husband who earns way more has lots of generational wealth.
If only people married people at the same economic level this wouldn’t happen. 😂😂😂
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ULol..so r u implying that parents should marry their daughter with some ineligible guy with no income or atleast stable background? Apne ghr ki ladkiyo ki shaadi me dekhna ye sb
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BNo I am saying people should marry their daughters who earn same or a bit less or a bit more than the guy and with a family from same socio economic status.
And I am telling this from the experience of women being married in my family. Marrying someone too rich or too broke is a headache of epic proportions.
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ULawyer here.
I would like to know more about your math. How did you come up with the number of 1-1.5 lakh of the cases filed were fake ?
How did you come up with the number that the settlement amount in each case is 10-20 lakhs ?
Your data collection seems really weighted to reach the conclusion you have. I’d be happy to learn otherwise.
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SNot OP. It is widely reported that 98% 498a cases are false. Given that 1L+ cases are filed every year , OP is not really off in his calculations.
Here is the 2019 data for total cases -1.25Lakh. It should have increased by now. [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/domestic-violence-cases-dipped-4-5-in-2019-ncrb/articleshow/81624225.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/domestic-violence-cases-dipped-4-5-in-2019-ncrb/articleshow/81624225.cms)
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UThis brings up another interesting point. If i wanted to find out the actual numbers (in this regard or any other regard, like say insurance payouts, insurance scams, husband suicides, wife suicides, kidneys stolen from homeless people etc), how would I? RTI only gives the (fallible) testimony of a concerned (fallible) authority. The difference between science (pursuit of truth) and superstition (a respectable person said this) must be made.
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SYes, it’s the ecosystem. No criminal lawyer would want Section 498A to be scrapped.
For the police, it’s the easiest way to earn money. Tell me, whom can they threaten or scare more easily: a serial murderer or an unassuming husband who has never seen a jail?-
SIn fact the ecosystem wants more and more one sided sections like 498a, SC/ST act etc. More the misuse, more the possibility of extracting money from the victim.
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UDemocracy is better than dictatorship because a fool with ultimate power wont wreak tyranny on the masses……ohh wait, we are a democracy, and now we dont know who to punish for this
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SFor me, more than corrupt netas, or corrupt babus , the #1 set of people who should be made accountable should be judges of HC/SC.
Fix the issue prevailing in judiciary and things will fall in order. HC/SC judges live in their own la-la land have built numerous protective shields around them. They can do or say whatever without fear of any repercussions and we as hapless citizens can’t do anything.
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UPrevention is better than cure.
If divorces go to court (i know about mutual divorce) then shouldn’t there be a marriage court? both would-be spouses have to prove to the judge that they want to and can live together for extended periods of time? And when divorce/separation happens, and monetary settlement is mandated by court, the marriage granting judge should pay part of the alimony/maintenance.
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