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LHow to define “extreme” ? Who decides that
As we know this verdict is very rare
But in cases where enough evidence is present, can we make a law where the death penalty is given?
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UThere’s always a chance of wrong conviction due to errors of judgment, so in not so extreme circumstances death penalty is avoided because it cannot be reversed.
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LI’m only talking about cases where culpable dna evidence is present, so how is there an error in judgement?
And I’m asking for mandatory death penalty in not so extreme rape cases too
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UNo offence of rape will occur in the open. So prosecution has to build its case on circumstantial evidences. While the idea of “beyond reasonable doubt” is usually followed in criminal trials, it sometimes fail too. There have been cases where discovery of some new facts led to reversal of conviction. Dhananjoy Chatterjee’s hanging is still a matter of debate. There were several lacunae in police investigation and yet the courts gave him death sentence. Criminal trials are complex and hence we should not resort to medieval mentality of killing the convicts to meed the ends of justice.
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SIf you are asking this in Reddit, you should drop this area. Also read about the punishments for these crimes. Why would you file a PIL which is already present.
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LDrop this area? I’ve read about the punishments for these crimes which is what led me to post this.
PIL which is already present? Multiple people can file PILs for the same issue…
Are you a lawyer?
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SAnd who is going to save the innocents who are being framed. Its not hard to do that in India. Everyone is corrupt, police, judge etc.
Go through the data of false rape cases. 498A was suppose to protect women, I guess you know how its used. Same with SC Act.
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SCute. I prefer not to drag this arguement as its totally pointless. And all the best, I hope you can make any change.
DNAs dont lie but the person making the report can be manipulated. I started my carrer with one of the top agency of this country. Guess what I left in 3 months, my ethics dont allow to do some shits but its very common there.
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LSure, DNA can’t lie, but yes, humans can be corrupt. I’m not pretending India’s system is clean. That’s exactly why I’m pushing for laws with strict forensic protocols and independent oversight.
But let’s be real—if “the system is corrupt” is your full-time argument, you’re basically saying “let’s do nothing because everything sucks.” That’s not insight, that’s surrender.
I get that Reddit loves a good dose of pessimism—almost like it’s a hobby here. But some of us still think change is possible. Wild, I know
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RThis is the problem when the society thinks from their emotions rather than make laws through evidence.
Tell me something, any research papers which has shown that death penalty has solved in reducing such crimes ? Let me tell you something it’s not death penalty which solves it. The main issue and this has always been the issue is the understaffing of police and pathetic evidence collection in the local level. Read some papers man. Seriously how stupid are we. Death penalties can actually incentivize criminals do actually murder the victim because- a victim who is alive is a walking evidence. This is how criminals think.
Another issue is “CCTV cameras”.
I personally don’t care about death penalty (I am not that guy who preaches human rights for criminals) but it has not solved anything
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L“Read some papers, man”? Cute. I’ve read enough to know this: data doesn’t feel fear, but rapists do when the system actually works.
You’re right—death penalty alone won’t fix everything. But the “criminals will now kill the victim to avoid death penalty” argument is a tired take that assumes every rapist is a criminal mastermind calculating legal consequences mid-crime. Most of them assault children in their own homes, in villages, or while drunk with power. Let’s not pretend they’re all Hannibal Lecter.
Also—if you genuinely think the emotional rage of a society watching toddlers being raped is irrational, then maybe you’ve intellectualized your humanity out of the equation. Logic doesn’t cancel out justice. It should serve it.
CCTV is cute. So are your links. But justice needs teeth, not just surveillance.
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RBtw your user ID is pretty apt. You are quixotic and you know another definition of quixotic is ? Unpractical.
Anyway like I said you have good intentions but I hate it when people divert their attention to something which doesn’t solve anything. Also do you not realize that such PILs have been filed a million times ? Also you know that laws are made by political class/IAS not judges ? I have seen the politicians from the ruling party say the same thing like you said ? They are still not implementing it because their IAS officers have data to prove that these things are probably net negative but definitely not net positive.
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LI’m an MLA, what do I do now?
But I feel, people led movements have more power than individual MLA led pil-
AWhat is an “individual MLA led pil”? I didn’t understand that part.
But you work with the other representatives and push for criminal law reform.
Only the legislature can make laws as they are the elected representatives of people. So that’s the route you should pursue.
But if you think you can start a people led movement that can get the support of the masses and influence the government to bring a reform, go for it mate.
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QA few questions:
1. How did you conclude this i.e. the lack of laws is the problem vs lack of enforcement of current laws? For example – we have death penalty for murders, but they still happen.
2. Is this going to be enough by itself? Have you researched how other countries brought down rapes? Death penalty still means the rape has already happened. Ideally rapes need to be stopped before they happen.
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L100% agree that poor enforcement is a massive part of the problem. But I think the issue isn’t just that laws exist, it’s that they’re rarely enforced with speed or impact. People know rapists often walk free or get bail. Even in cases where DNA evidence is solid, justice takes years—or doesn’t come at all. So yeah, the law might be there, but if it’s barely ever used, how is it serving as a deterrent?
Is this enough? – Not at all. I’m not saying the death penalty will magically stop rape. That’s too simplistic. Real prevention means sex ed, awareness, better policing, quicker trials, and a shift in how society sees women and children.
But I also believe that when something as brutal as child rape happens—and there’s concrete proof—justice should be immediate and irreversible. It’s about sending a clear message that there’s zero tolerance, no loopholes, no second chances.-
QSo why propose one more law which will have trouble being enforced? Why not focus on solving issues which improve enforcement?
I would assume most people don’t commit rape, not because it’s illegal, but because it’s wrong.
Seems some countries also saw reduction in rape stats once they made prostitution legal.
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L“Why propose one more law?”
Because when a system fails to protect its most vulnerable—even when there’s hard proof like DNA—then yes, we need to propose bolder laws that demand accountability and force better enforcement.You’re assuming the death penalty is just “one more law.” It’s not. It’s a statement of zero tolerance. It creates public pressure, forces faster trials, and signals that the state actually gives a damn when children are raped.
And about people not committing rape because “it’s wrong”—I wish we lived in that world. But we don’t. Ask the survivors. Ask the kids.
Rapists exist because they think they can get away with it. And often, they do.Also, bringing up prostitution laws in a conversation about child rape or violent sexual assault is a bit of a derail. Legalizing prostitution is a completely different debate—it’s about consensual sex work, not about violent crimes where consent is nonexistent.
Trying to apply that logic here oversimplifies the issue and honestly misses the point.-
QHappy to have an objective debate. But it seems you’re pretty set on your stance and looking for arguments. If that is the case – best wishes with your PIL. Wish you success.
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LIf I were set on my stance, I wouldn’t have asked how to file a PIL or whether it’s even realistic.
People looking for arguments don’t ask questions—they make declarations. I came here genuinely curious.
What I got instead was a parade of empty replies—people mistaking tired cynicism for intelligence and serving recycled hopelessness like it’s insight. Not one of you offered a real solution—just excuses in better grammar.-
QQuestion is – what problem are you trying to solve? And what is your justification for the solution you have decided to spend your effort on? Why do you think that your time and effort is best spent on what you are proposing vs other potential alleviations?
Honestly you come across as pretty naive as the law you want already seems to exist. Are you just looking for validation maybe?
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LYou asked what problem I’m trying to solve:
The problem is that even with existing laws, child rape survivors don’t reliably get justice. rapes still go unpunished for years, trials are delayed, and rapists walk free or get bail. That’s not a “law exists” issue—it’s a lack of implementation, consistency, and political will.You asked why I’m spending my effort here:
Because I believe public pressure, policy reform, and legal accountability are interconnected. Pushing for death penalty in specific, DNA-confirmed cases is a way to push the system to wake up. This isn’t about ignoring other solutions—it’s about demanding stronger consequences where we already have hard proof.You assumed I want validation.
If I wanted validation, I wouldn’t post in a subreddit full of defeatists clinging to pseudo-intellectual superiority. I posted because I thought people here might help with legal steps—not throw around recycled doubt and passive cynicism pretending to be insight.So no, I’m not looking for applause. I’m looking for impact.
And if that makes me “naive,” I’d rather be naive and trying than jaded and sitting still. -
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