Lawyers that Believe death penalty to be unconstitutional. Why is that ?

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      Rapidvyom507
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        April 7, 2025 at 5:50 am
        I’m against death penalty too on various grounds but I don’t see how it would be unconstitutional when there is explict-implicit allowance of death penalty.

        “No one shall be deprived of their life or personal liberty except according to procedure established by law” this seems to implicitly allow death penalty if it’s established by law. And moreover there is an appealte Jurisdiction of supreme court for death penalty in the union judiciary chapter of the constitution.

        In light of these facts , why would it be unconstitutional ? I don’t believe that death penalty will be abolished by the parliaments any time soon but there’s many blogs about how it can be unconstitutional so courts to them seem like the only hope for that

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        Mightykomal1002
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          April 7, 2025 at 6:13 am
          Oh really ? What about the person who was murdered? Wasn’t he deprived of his life?

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            April 7, 2025 at 6:50 am
            I start by saying,
            The death penalty is a type of legal murder.
            Which finds an exception to punishment in general principles of IPC.(Now BNS.)

            Death penalty is given in rarest of rare cases only.
            Ref:Bachan Singh vs State of punjab.

            Who has an authority to kill a person?
            Answer is: No one.

            what happens if a person is given death penalty and punished with it and later he is found not guilty?

            India is one of the poorer countries in the world. Not all can afford legal expenses.
            And what happens if poor innocent people are dragged into this false criminal cases and convicted?

            And our criminal justice system works on the principle:
            Let hundred culprits escape, but no innocent should be punished..

            Let the deadly criminals be languished in Jails for a lifetime…

            Their life is lost in Jails, even if they’re not shot dead.

            There is always another side of the coin to debate about this as to why the death sentence is correct.
            Hope I was able to persuade with my ..

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              April 7, 2025 at 6:50 am
              I start by saying,
              The death penalty is a type of legal murder.
              Which finds an exception to punishment in general principles of IPC.(Now BNS.)

              Death penalty is given in rarest of rare cases only.
              Ref:Bachan Singh vs State of punjab.

              Who has an authority to kill a person?
              Answer is: No one.

              what happens if a person is given death penalty and punished with it and later he is found not guilty?

              India is one of the poorer countries in the world. Not all can afford legal expenses.
              And what happens if poor innocent people are dragged into this false criminal cases and convicted?

              And our criminal justice system works on the principle:
              Let hundred culprits escape, but no innocent should be punished..

              Let the deadly criminals be languished in Jails for a lifetime…

              Their life is lost in Jails, even if they’re not shot dead.

              There is always another side of the coin to debate about this as to why the death sentence is correct.
              Hope I was able to persuade with my ..

              • #19826 Reply
                Rapidvyom507
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                  April 7, 2025 at 7:04 am
                  But how does this make it unconstitutional though. I get the reasoning and is also why I don’t believe in death penalty. I’d be far more supportive of death penalty if there was little to no change of reform and chance of rehabilitation of victim’s loved ones in case of murder.

                  But I don’t get how it could be unconstitutional if there is implicit allowance of it. What legal ratio could be used to support such a claim ?

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                Pariking54
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                  April 7, 2025 at 6:51 am
                  it isnt unconstitutional to kill someone who kills for fun. check india history we have only ever given death penalty to terrorists and serial killers…even in cases of self defense murder or car accidents its usually jail only

                • #19818 Reply
                  Rupalifox225
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                    April 7, 2025 at 7:08 am
                    I am all in for death penalty – but not in our judicial system. 

                    Countless people are convicted despite being not guilty 

                    And countless people are roaming around even after killing innocent people with fancy cars. 

                    • #19825 Reply
                      Expertfalcon9377
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                        April 7, 2025 at 8:24 am
                        I agree. I’m a supporter of the concept of Retributive justice. And thus, I too support capital punishments. However, yes the road to that realisation is very crooked. Money and corruption are the biggest enemies to a fair judicial system.

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                      Urbanaaradhya6308
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                        April 7, 2025 at 7:26 am
                        Death penalty is a blessing not a punishment, life in isolation  prison is the real punishment

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                            April 7, 2025 at 11:57 am
                            Exactly. I’ve always wondered how ending life can be a punishment. Life imprisonment with isolation is the real punishment.

                        • #19816 Reply
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                            April 7, 2025 at 8:27 am
                            Death penalty for crimes that have absolute conviction with video and other solid proofs makes a lot of sense.

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                              April 7, 2025 at 9:44 am
                              I don’t think any lawyer would seriously argue that the death penalty is unconstitutional. While there may be valid debates around its morality, deterrent value, and effectiveness, its constitutionality has been settled by the Supreme Court.

                              In Bachan Singh v. State of Punjab, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutional validity of the death penalty. One of the arguments raised in the case was that although Article 21 permits deprivation of life in accordance with ‘procedure established by law’, the imposition of the death penalty also results in the loss of other fundamental freedoms guaranteed under Article 19. It was contended that since death terminates all rights, including those under Article 19, the penalty should be considered unconstitutional. However, the Court rejected this argument and affirmed that the death penalty, if imposed in accordance with ‘procedure established by law’, does not violate the Constitution.

                              But the Court also observed that there was a lack of uniformity in the application of the death penalty by various courts. Judges were often inconsistent—arbitrarily awarding or denying the death sentence. To address this, the Court laid down guidelines and introduced the ‘rarest of rare’ doctrine, which has since become the standard for imposing the death penalty in India.

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                                April 7, 2025 at 10:44 am
                                Its more of an ethical question than a purely legal one .

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                                  April 7, 2025 at 12:04 pm
                                  Nobody, even govt shouldn’t have any right to take away a person’s life…

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                                    April 7, 2025 at 6:08 pm
                                    Just Google “Man acquitted after 20 years” and you’ll understand why.

                                    Another point I’d like to add is:
                                    The legal system is biased against men and against the poor.

                                    Just like the rapists of Nirbhaya deserved the death penalty, the rapists of Bilkis Bano and the murders of her child also deserved the same fate too.
                                    But they were given life in prison with Gujarat’s BJP govt. even remitting their sentences (later overturned by SC). Even a BJP MLA commented that they were *sanskari brahmins*.

                                    In 2019, a woman who convicted and serving life for murdered her own children received a suspended sentence (Google “High Court Grants Divorce to Man Whose Wife Was Convicted for 2010 Murder of Their Two Children”)

                                    There are probably many more such cases where the influential and women are spared.

                                  • #19811 Reply
                                    Superfox8559
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                                      April 7, 2025 at 10:44 pm
                                      Law Commission of India, Report 35 & 262 & Project 39A – Death Penalty.

                                      It’s a good read, one should give it a try.

                                      • #19823 Reply
                                        Rapidvyom507
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                                          April 8, 2025 at 7:52 am
                                          I follow their work. And I’ve heard some calls for a constitutional bench on this issue but is this even legally valid to do so ?

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                                              April 8, 2025 at 3:55 pm
                                              Sorry i didn’t understand the question, please elaborate.

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                                                  April 8, 2025 at 10:37 pm
                                                  What I’m asking is that is it even possible for the SC to revisit it’s constitutionality after it has been settled many times

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