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UUser_61d012ad
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February 2, 2025 at 5:19 amI have my Father in law as ex employee of BARC. Due to some personal family issues, he has asked his friend from BARC to track/tap my and two of my friends phone. I do not have any evidence for it but I am pretty sure he is doing it(FIL and my wife has confirmed it multiple times and not willing to stop it). I do not know how to tackle this situation. Is there a way to legally find it out? I am worried as I do not know how the data will be used or stored.
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EEpicowl9962
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February 2, 2025 at 5:24 amthis is unfortunately common thing happening in government sector. the technique to do so is very simple, but a bit difficult to prove until you have an insider. use your own encryption technqiue.-
UUser_61d012ad
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February 2, 2025 at 5:30 amThe problem is..I don’t know what kind of data they are collecting and what kind of encryption will help.-
NNileshthinker934
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February 2, 2025 at 6:29 amItโs called CD-R data. They would know your incoming and outgoing mobile no details. The amount of time spent on each call. Receipt of incoming and outgoing sms. But the contents of sms and audio recording of each call wonโt be available.-
UUser_44aeded4
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February 2, 2025 at 6:41 amDoes Airtel/jio/etc need to co-operate for CD-R data? Are they able to get that data without the telecom’s cooperation?-
NNileshthinker934
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February 2, 2025 at 6:44 amEvery law enforcement agency will have a nodal officer who has to approve the request for CD-R for any mobile number. Once that is done, that will be passed on to the nodal officer of the telecom agencies. The telecom companies have to comply. The entire process takes a few hours to a week depending on how soon the data is required. People that know insiders in law enforcement agencies, use this to their advantage and get CD-R data illegally.-
UUrbanknight9782
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February 2, 2025 at 10:36 amJust out of curiosityCan an RTI be filed in this matter requesting the number of people whose phones are getting tapped by this department but they don’t have any FIR against them.
I believe before the RTI reply, surveillance will stop.,
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UUser_61d012ad
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February 2, 2025 at 6:53 amThat sounds crazy..๐ฏ
Would need to figure out something soon.. -
MMegastar5928
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February 2, 2025 at 11:52 amItโs easily possible to record voice and save sms. There was a DoT project 15years ago and has already been implemented by all telcos. Only caveat is the number to be snooped on must be shared by a competent authority to the telco before hand and the voice data is forked to the destination as well as a remote server. This is as simple as a single command. If the tap is not in place then the only info available is the CDR and the meta data
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EEpicowl9962
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February 3, 2025 at 8:01 amone can simply collect the whole conservation with a click in the exchanges. technology is simple.
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EExpertsaloni4292
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February 2, 2025 at 5:36 amA dumb second phone generally does the job. -
CCleverpanda1429
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February 2, 2025 at 5:38 amMy uncle works for isro
He had mentioned people with good clearance ( have high authority) will be tracked for location & surrounding soundsEspionage mainly
Its common in isro barc drdo etc
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UUser_61d012ad
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February 2, 2025 at 6:55 amYeah..after marriage I came to know that it’s done for family members as well.
That’s what I was told. Don’t know what constitutes as family member?
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FFiercepanda7497
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February 2, 2025 at 6:04 amWhat exactly is he tapping? Voice calls to record or anything else?-
UUser_61d012ad
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February 2, 2025 at 6:56 amDon’t know that yet.
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UUser_f3c6bfc7
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February 2, 2025 at 6:10 amEnd to end encryption is safe from tracking. WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal. Phone calls will be tapped easily.ย-
FFierceninja725
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February 2, 2025 at 6:36 amLol please don’t tell anyone. Privacy is a myth. Anything and everything which is on internet and can be controlled also can be tracked and manipulate on any given day. This are fancy terms for non IT crowd-
UUser_ff7fc0d5
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February 2, 2025 at 9:30 amHenlo, I work in cybersecurity ๐ -
EEpicowl9962
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February 2, 2025 at 12:36 pmyeah some idiots are downvoting.. lolz!
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EEpicowl9962
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February 2, 2025 at 11:20 ame2e encryption is there. but the keys are remained with these companies. so, these companies can anytime store all transmitted data, and decrypt them at the whip of the so-called government.see if you can add another layer of your encryption. it is like you sending a password-protected file. if they decrypt, they can see that you have sent the file, but cannot open it.
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EEpicowl9962
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February 2, 2025 at 12:35 pme2e encryption is there. but the keys are remained with these companies. so, these companies can anytime store all transmitted data, and decrypt them at the whip of the so-called government.see if you can add another layer of your encryption. it is like you sending a password-protected file. if they decrypt, they can see that you have sent the file, but cannot open it.
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UUser_c4fe801e
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February 2, 2025 at 6:20 amChange the phone, or FIL. whatever you can. You can have one more phone, if not one more FIL!!!/s
See if you can record them confirming it once again and sue them somehow <Not A Lawyer>
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UUser_61d012ad
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February 2, 2025 at 6:55 amI would prefer changing FIL. ๐-
UUrbanknight9782
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February 2, 2025 at 10:38 amHe’s watching this ๐
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RRapidrashmi8299
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February 2, 2025 at 8:07 pmGood luck with judicial system and case of sueing someone
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UUser_06e2aa39
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February 2, 2025 at 6:52 amSur -
SSuperdeepa4472
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February 2, 2025 at 7:53 amCalyxOS is worth a try. Especially if the goal is to minimize what info they are acquiring, if at all they are, through Calyx you can use most of the services that one previously did on an Android, will be a hassle at first. A list of supported devices are on their website.If you think they are able to hear or control your recordings, which is not feasible tbh, unless you’ve installed some APK or gave the phone to them to configure, just network details from the SIM would be going I presume, can still use Calyx to remove other doubts of suspected use.
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UUrbanknight9782
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February 2, 2025 at 10:39 amOr Pegasus
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FFiercebear7497
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February 2, 2025 at 8:30 amNALUse Whatsapp for calls.
And in messages, keep abusing your FIL. If he can read messages (I don’t think it is true), you can see his demeanor change.
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UUser_9e2b4cb7
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February 2, 2025 at 10:19 amNALBro this is bs at best, maybe scare tactics. BARC does not have such espionage tools, nor will any employee indulge in such activities as this is illegal and that employee runs a risk of disciplinary or police action.
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UUser_61d012ad
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February 2, 2025 at 4:11 pmHe is not doing it himself. He was employed at good rank and BARC already does some tracking/tapping for its employees and they have NDA in place for that. I think for me, he might be putting the tag of family member and not sure how he did for other 2 friends of mine.-
UUser_9e2b4cb7
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February 3, 2025 at 2:13 pmwhoeverhas told you all that that is a liar lol
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YYashdude573
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February 2, 2025 at 10:34 amI dont think ex BARC is capable of getting phone tracked or tapped. -
SSwiftpanda8109
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February 2, 2025 at 10:52 amUsually this happens between 8pm to 8am as now Tracking / Tapping someone’s phone require consent from MHA.Even a SP can’t issue an order to Track/Tap someone’s phone.
Better to switch off your phone in the evening and use other phone.
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UUser_45e81f03
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February 2, 2025 at 12:52 pmUse a second phone and don’t dump the first one -
UUser_5a22383c
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February 2, 2025 at 2:54 pmI have recently joined law enforcement and I can assure you that phone tapping is not that easy . A hell of a permissions are required from the concerned authority for tapping someone’s phone .
So it’s highly unlikely that he is tapping your phone.-
UUser_61d012ad
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February 2, 2025 at 4:06 pmI hope so. But it’s like, BARC already does some kind of tracking of its employee and they sign NDA for that. So my FIL was employed at good rank and that’s how he has some contacts in that department. I am assuming BARC would have such kind of permission already in place.-
PPramodhawk102
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February 2, 2025 at 6:39 pmPhones and movements of BARC employees are tracked for national security. Phones cannot be put on track and trace so easily. Unless of course he has misused his connection and labelled you as a threat. So, that’s possible but with no proof of anti national activity, it will be cleared off quickly. What did you do to upset him so badly?
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UUser_5831e37d
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February 2, 2025 at 4:50 pmBro! Its BARC. Do you think anyone will have the balls to misuse such a facility, even if given as some special power.I don’t think even the senior scientists will dare. It WILL amount to treason.
Also, IB under MHA does such things on behalf of BARC or DAE. I am sure they are not this stupid to let anyone misuse the system.
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UUser_61d012ad
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February 5, 2025 at 8:56 pmThank you for all the comments. Some are saying it can’t be done and as per some, it is quite possible. Is there a WAY(Legally/illegally) through which I can be sure about it?
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