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        January 29, 2025 at 6:19 am
        Last month, there was a bug in the NAVI app which allowed users to pay 1 rupee and avail services worth thousands of rupees. One of my friends took advantage of this opportunity and did 4 recharges totalling to 16000 rupees. Now the company has lodged an fir against “scammers” who duped them for 14.26 crore rupees and a probe is underway from the Cybercrime cell.

        Now, he has recieved a message on whatsapp from NAVI UPI verified channel that he has this much amount due and police are investigating the case. If he repays the amount, they will reach out to police and banks to reverse any action taken against him.

        Is it really possible for them to reverse the action taken. And how do we find out if any action was taken against him in the first place??

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          January 29, 2025 at 6:26 am
          I have received such a message too. I am willing to pay the amount, but how do I know if there’s an action going on against me?

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              January 29, 2025 at 6:42 am
              Take all the evidence to the police, show them the exact transactions you did and ask them to check the database

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                January 29, 2025 at 8:15 am
                Don’t pay any money. Let them initiate action

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                  January 29, 2025 at 9:47 am
                  NAL

                  Even if they are correct, you would be liable to the same amount. Why don’t you wait how it plays out.

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                  January 29, 2025 at 6:29 am
                  That fir has been written cannot be undone as it is valid. Tell the investigators that your friend accidentally noticed it and out of unbelief, he has ended up doing it so many times until realizing that the bug is indeed real. That you have informed is the excellent step and your friend is ready to return that amount with repo rate interest. I hope that will solve the issue.

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                    January 29, 2025 at 6:42 am
                    Nothing will happen. They’ve to catch the the big fish, not petty cash

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                      January 29, 2025 at 6:49 am
                      NAL.
                      If it was done on the official app and payment was successful, I don’t think they have the grounds to sue him.At the most,they can deny the claims citing glitch in the app.But I don’t think they can ask for the money.Still,talk to a lawyer.

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                          January 29, 2025 at 8:34 pm
                          >”Illegal enrichment” in India, also known as “unjust enrichment,” refers to a situation where a party unjustly benefits at the expense of another, meaning they gain a profit or advantage without legal justification, often through a mistake, coercion, or fraud, and are therefore required to return that benefit to the rightful owner.

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                              January 30, 2025 at 12:49 am
                              But that is not a criminal offence

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                                  January 30, 2025 at 5:02 am
                                  Illegal/unjust enrichment is by itself is not a crime by virtue of just receiving it.

                                  However, if you refuse to return it back with the intent of benefiting from it, it will be deemed theft.

                                  Ex: Let’s say that you got some money transferred to you by mistake. The bank cannot take it back without your permission. You can also refuse to return it to the sender till they takes you to court. But if you use the money and are not able to or refuse to return it back, it will then be considered theft.

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                              January 29, 2025 at 6:58 am
                              Nothing will happen.

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                                January 29, 2025 at 7:06 am
                                NAL

                                Ask for FIR Copy mentioning your friends name from NAVI.

                                If they produce the same, check online for that FIR.

                                Talk to a lawyer and take action accordingly. Most likely you can try to settle for lower amount than what you owe them.

                                So talk to a lawyer and get to the conclusion.

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                                    January 29, 2025 at 3:22 pm
                                    The lawyer and police will take 10 k each and ask to settle, better pay what is rightfully due.

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                                    January 29, 2025 at 7:32 am
                                    It was mistake/bug on their end. So, legally, your friend hasn’t done anything wrong. You can take several legal actions to safeguard yourself. To know the proper rights and personalized consultation, I recommend DigiLawyer.

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                                      January 29, 2025 at 11:01 am
                                      Once FIR is lodged, its not possible for Navi to withdraw it. Only High court is empowered to quash an FIR.

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                                          January 29, 2025 at 11:02 am
                                          So even if he pays the money to NAVI, he’s still gonna face consequences from the cyber-cell, right?

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                                              January 29, 2025 at 11:27 am
                                              only if he is at fault….they just cant withdraw once FIR is in so it is better to get lawyer and settle it in court.

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                                            January 29, 2025 at 11:34 am
                                            I remember this from some case I read. I am not a lawyer but this should apply here too.

                                            Your friend pressed the buttons on THEIR app to make a transaction. Whether it is a bug or a feature or an offer, is not a customer’s responsibility. He did not hack into the app or tried to gain access in a way he was not supposed to.

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                                                January 29, 2025 at 4:05 pm
                                                this aint amrika bro but give it a chance with lawyers help(jaha par shayaad double paisa jaye)might work

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                                                FIR ka copy mango verify karo friend ka naam hai ki nhi if capable of paying pay and get his name out

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                                                  January 29, 2025 at 5:17 pm
                                                  You’re still liable to pay for the services you have availed even if they make a mistake unless they misled you into believing the offer was of β‚Ή1.

                                                  He won’t be charged or anything and the amount is too small to go after him individually. They will most likely reach his bank to charge him.

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                                                    January 29, 2025 at 8:29 pm
                                                    >”Illegal enrichment” in India, also known as “unjust enrichment,” refers to a situation where a party unjustly benefits at the expense of another, meaning they gain a profit or advantage without legal justification, often through a mistake, coercion, or fraud, and are therefore required to return that benefit to the rightful owner.

                                                    Even if somebody gets unfairly enriched through a mistake, they would be liable to return it.

                                                    For example, if somebody accidentally deposits money into your account, you can refuse to pay them back. They will have to go to court and can have you pay them back. But if you spend the money and cannot return it back at that time, it becomes theft and you will go to prison over it.

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                                                    January 29, 2025 at 12:22 pm
                                                    Ask your friend to get an FIR copy. If they do not provide, if you’re aware of which police station they have filed an FIR in, you can file an RTI application to get the details.

                                                    Once we see what charges they have framed, we will have a fair idea.

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                                                      January 29, 2025 at 12:35 pm
                                                      Prima facie this is not a scam rather Navi can opt for arbitration or recovery suit. These facts are not tenable for fraud or misappropriation.

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                                                        January 29, 2025 at 2:04 pm
                                                        Again NAL. But since it is known that you “friend” was aware of the glitch and intentionally acted in a way to get unfair benefit, the business can pursue legal action to recover damages.

                                                        Consider it like this, if a jewelery store forgets to lock their store at night, it does not mean you are free to walk in and pick stuff as you please.

                                                        I am not sure if there are precedents in India, but in western countries this case would normally go in the favor of business and your “friend” would be asked to pay for damages.

                                                        And yes, at any point the complainant and defendent can reach an out of court settlement and the case can be dropped/withdrawn without prejudice.

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                                                          January 29, 2025 at 5:57 pm
                                                          The first step is to take legal advice. Google and Reddit won’t help much and will confuse you. Take the situation in your hand. Either download legal kart app and get legal advice there after paying or go to the competent lawyer handling financial matters. Only he can offer you a proper advice.
                                                          Having said all that, nothing is gonna happen. You haven’t hacked the system .

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                                                            January 29, 2025 at 6:48 pm
                                                            WhatsApp. Seriously a WhatsApp Messenger? Call them to meet in person and file a police case for a scam, beat the hell out of them and hand over them to the police.

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                                                                January 29, 2025 at 7:05 pm
                                                                The channel is the official NAVI UPI channel though. He also received an otp for registration from the same channel while registering for the app. It’s not the authenticity we’re worried about. We’re more worried about even after we pay the dues, does NAVI hold the power to withdraw an already lodged FIR? Or if a case is really going against whoever took advantage of the bug! And if so, why haven’t they reached out via an email on the registered mail ID?

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                                                                    January 29, 2025 at 7:55 pm
                                                                    It doesn’t matter who they are WhatsApp things are not legit. Ask them to send the same in Email with the official email id.

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                                                                    January 30, 2025 at 12:03 am
                                                                    Beat the hell out of them??? Dafaq?

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                                                                        January 30, 2025 at 2:45 am
                                                                        I hate scammers.

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                                                                            January 30, 2025 at 4:29 am
                                                                            How is this a scam?

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                                                                                January 30, 2025 at 4:33 am
                                                                                I don’t know any company that will give you official communication on WhatsApp. OTPs is ok but other than that everything is useless always use the email.

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                                                                                    January 30, 2025 at 4:57 am
                                                                                    Many companies do. Especially loan apps

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                                                                                        January 30, 2025 at 5:21 am
                                                                                        Are you talking about the chinese loan apps that give loans without paperwork and will later try to blackmail you with your Ai generated/ real personal photos if you don’t pay?

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                                                                                      January 30, 2025 at 10:15 am
                                                                                      No legit company will send a legal notice on WhatsApp.

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                                                                                January 29, 2025 at 6:58 pm
                                                                                But they sold the service for 1 re to your friend, right? Whether the value of the service was 1 re or 16000 – they asked for 1 re and allowed him to avail the service. If it was incorrect, why did they allow the service? So many companies come out with promotional offers – they cant claim later that it was a mistake. If you mis-label a product and mention a different price – how am I at fault for β€œbuying” it at that price?

                                                                                Also, even if it goes to court, at best, the court will ask your friend to pay and maybe add interest – so assume it comes to 20k or 25k. That is still fine, instead of paying 16k right now and not even being sure if they really filed an FIR, or they will win, or even if he pays – whether his name will be taken off the FIR. I dont think they would have reached out asking to pay if they had any hopes of winning it. And even if they do, at best, your friend might have to pay a little more than 16k which he is anyways ready to pay Makes sense to let it run its course.

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                                                                                  January 30, 2025 at 3:00 am
                                                                                  Since he did it multiple times, he knew what he was doing which is wrong.

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                                                                                    I know someone who works in Navi.
                                                                                    The recovery is done pretty seriously.
                                                                                    They have already filed cases for higher defaulters. In some cases they even reached out to have the bank reverse transactions. They have all the right to proceed with legal action.

                                                                                    Though I am not sure if for 16k they will do so or have done already. You can ask them for the legal notice

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