Trademark contains part word, got a notice

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        January 21, 2025 at 9:55 am
        I have a product name “Adu Phalad” registered in 2009 under class 5. I got a notice today from a brand which is called “Dupha” they claim that Adu phalad contains A”du pha”lad , and hence sent me a warning notice. On our product we use the name as two words “Adu Phalad” however the trademark is one word Aduphalad, it does contain dupha in it but we make completely different product and been doing it from 15 years. Should I be worried or is this baseless as the name is contained in middle and has no association with the said company. Please help thanks!

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          January 21, 2025 at 9:59 am
          I am no lawyer but i think it’s baseless.

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              January 21, 2025 at 10:00 am
              I think the same, but it is a very big company who sent the notice so I got a bit worried

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                  January 21, 2025 at 10:01 am
                  Maybe just consult a lawyer once.

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                  January 21, 2025 at 10:01 am
                  > I am no lawyer but i think it’s baseless.

                  Think of it this way, if you were in OPs position, will this comment help?

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                      January 21, 2025 at 10:03 am
                      My sincerest apologies

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                    January 21, 2025 at 10:03 am
                    The later company, when they registered their trademark?

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                        January 21, 2025 at 10:05 am
                        It is since 1960

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                            January 21, 2025 at 10:10 am
                            Can’t you rectify your name? And make it two words separating du pha? It will atleast ensure authenticity in question as per IP Law.

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                                January 21, 2025 at 10:11 am
                                On our product we use two words only β€œADU PHALAD”. However the trademark is one word β€œADUPHALAD”

                                Also we trademarked it in 2009.

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                                    January 21, 2025 at 10:15 am
                                    Yes I am talking about the trademark only, if it can be separated then the name on your product won’t remain in question. Their warning is legally binding for trademark only. Make it two words. it is possible. I used to work in a IP Law firm but now a criminal lawyer, pretty much out of practice for your problem. Otherwise I would be happy to help you in person.

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                                        January 21, 2025 at 10:19 am
                                        Yes we definitely can change it, but should we as in this case we are neither selling the same product nor in any way using any explicit use of their name.

                                        We are only worried that the company we are talking about is a big multinational and we obviously cant fight them in a legal battle.

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                                      January 21, 2025 at 10:15 am
                                      I can think of hundreds of brand names which contains some other brand name in them for example.

                                      β€œwhatsapp” it contains β€œsap” does that make it infringement because they are doing different things

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                                          January 21, 2025 at 10:18 am
                                          You could challenge their warning or notice first.

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                                    January 21, 2025 at 10:31 am
                                    Practiced IP law for a while, your next step should ideally be to reply to the legal notice and do that under guidance of a lawyer or ask the lawyer to do it for you refuting the claims.

                                    Make sure to send the reply your lawyer will know on what basis you should be refuting. Just because the claim could be baseless does not mean you chill.

                                    All the best

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                                        January 21, 2025 at 10:32 am
                                        Yes doing that, just wanted to know thoughts of other people as well.

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                                        January 21, 2025 at 10:35 am
                                        Hello. A TM is looked at in entirety, not seperately. Secondly, what matters is that what level of deception can another TM create so as to cause confusion to a man of ordinary prudence amongst the two products.
                                        Having said that, I am still unclear as to your mark and other party’s. If you could please elaborate Id be able to advise you better.
                                        Don’t hesitate to send a personal message. I am an IPR advocate and I’ll try to help you as best as i can

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                                          January 21, 2025 at 10:49 am
                                          Take a help from a good IP lawyer, use evidence in your favour that you have your product commercialized, you have customers, you have spent on marketing etc etc and for how long you have been using maybe the registrar can rule it in your favour under Article 12 of TM Act

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                                              January 21, 2025 at 10:50 am
                                              Not guaranteeing anything since the laws of TM when it comes to pharmaceuticals are applied strictly so make sure you draw out the case very for you. Because you have been using the mark for 15 years you might have a chance

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                                                January 21, 2025 at 10:50 am
                                                They have sent a formal warning and not done any case until now. Should we still send them a reply ?

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                                                    January 21, 2025 at 11:00 am
                                                    Yes, you have to fight for your case or else you will loose your mark.

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                                                  January 21, 2025 at 10:50 am
                                                  Tms are looked at entirely. Both Tms are different visually and phonetically.

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                                                    January 21, 2025 at 10:53 am
                                                    Not a lawyer,
                                                    1. If both parties use identical trademark for different purposes (different goods and services) then court may allow such use by both right? If both have been using it for longer period (maybe 5 years or something)

                                                    2. If the latest registered party can prove that earlier registered party KNEW about the use of trademark when latest registered party acquired it or within 3-5 years of registration and didn’t filed suit within 3-5 years, then earlier registered party can’t file suit on later.

                                                    I would advice consult a lawyer though. I have read this from the act some months ago but can’t definitely say if it can help with your case Or not.

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                                                        January 21, 2025 at 10:55 am
                                                        Thankyou for the reply. We are getting in touch with our lawyer for the same. However just wanted to get advice from other people as well

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                                                        January 21, 2025 at 11:11 am
                                                        I had some issues with my logo and cisco guys came towards me, the lawyer asked 25k to fight for me, I got rid of that logo and apologized! But you cannot fight a big organization ! Do not chill, if you cannot lose the name, hire a lawyer before the send cease notice!

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                                                          January 21, 2025 at 12:32 pm
                                                          NAL. Trademarks are registered for different classes. Also, when we file for trademark, it is published in the journal for certain days during which anyone can contest that trademark. Since you got your trademark, the other company didn’t contest your claim so they cannot do so now. But did you renew your trademark in 2019 or not? If it’s renewed and valid, you can reply to that notice with the help of trademark attorney.

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                                                              January 21, 2025 at 1:26 pm
                                                              Its renewed till 2034

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                                                              January 21, 2025 at 1:01 pm
                                                              Wow

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                                                                January 21, 2025 at 1:18 pm
                                                                IP Lawyer here. No need to worry. Trade marks are to be compared in their entirety. There is an Anti-dissection rule that says that you cannot take part of a mark and compare it with a part of another mark. You don’t have to worry about it. Send them a befitting reply.

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                                                                  January 21, 2025 at 1:24 pm
                                                                  You will have to respond to this notice refuting his claims. You need to get a lawyer having knowledge of IP law to respond to this. Good luck.

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                                                                    January 21, 2025 at 2:37 pm
                                                                    If it is a different class, you still have a chance. They are going to try to prove stating that both the trademarks are deceptively similar, therefore, you are profiting from their name.

                                                                    Let the notice highlight products from different classes and how your customers are not purchasing your products mistaking it to be Dupha’s.

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                                                                      January 22, 2025 at 12:23 am
                                                                      I wouldn’t bother giving them a response as well. This notice was most probably sent by an IP law firm trying to cash-in from their client by sending legal notices. They know there’s no case here as there are tonnes of judgement on anti dissection principle applied on trademark infringement.

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