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Expertvaishnavi4597.
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EExpertvaishnavi4597
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April 8, 2025 at 7:16 am* Father was a central government employee and retired long ago and passed away recently
* Name given for mother as nominee at the time of retirement (18 yrs ago) doesn’t match her Aadhar card details today at all
* It is not a mere spelling mistake, Name is 50% different
* I have been instructed by the post office to do a name change in the NATIONAL GAZETTE
* I have confirmed multiple times from them that a state gazette is NOT acceptableDoubts
* I understand you have to get an AD published in the newspaper for this
* A lawyer has prepared an affidavit for this that requires signature of 2 witnesses and stamps
* the lawyer has emphasized that BOTH witnesses have to be GAZETTED CLASS 1 officers
* The problem is nobody s willing to sign this
* I have spent 8 MONTHS trying to get a signature so far but no luck
* Father’s office was shut down so nothing exists at the location where he used to go to work currently. His department was transferred to a different location from where it has transferred once again. They are still trying to find his records since digitization was not the norm back then.
* His department was CENTRAL PnT Audit
* The lawyer has also emphasized that MLA / MP / Principal signatures are NOT acceptable as witnesses
* Mother has been running PILLAR to post last 8 months in her 70+ trying to get this mess sorted
* Location = MUMBAIDocuments
* I have the original marriage certificate with her old name
* I have the new documents, Aadhar, PAN etc with her new nameCan someone kindly recommend 2 class 1 gazetted officers who would be willing to verify and SIGN the affidavit?
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SSmartvani2853
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April 8, 2025 at 8:00 amAsk a good lawyer to arrange two signatures or just go to sub registrar office in your district and ask a lawyer to get the two signatures done for a fees usually it’s 2k per signature but can vary-
EExpertvaishnavi4597
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April 8, 2025 at 8:33 am* do you know anyone who would actually do this?
* someone from mumbai suburbs or even the entire city at this point.
* She is not doing well with all the running pillar to post work at her age and the guys at the office keep throwing the same sentence “how can we sign if we dont know you”
* Arey bhai verify kar le yaar.
* It is not like we are missing any documents either. We have everything and yet the refusal from their side is crazy.
* Like why not send someone to the house address if you have so much doubt about the authenticity of the whole thing or ask a few people in the society. Been living in the same place for 15+ years -
EExpertvaishnavi4597
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April 8, 2025 at 8:34 amAlready went to the registrar’s office, tehsildar s office, BMC s office, not one of those guys is willing to take you in unless you got “pehchaan”
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SSuperthinker6466
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April 8, 2025 at 8:15 amOut of topic. Would it be better to have your assets in a family trust so that your loved ones don’t face issues in asset transmission?-
MMightywolf347
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April 8, 2025 at 8:34 amWho’ll manage the trust? The trustee can easily misuse the trust money and you’ll have to run around the courts to get a refund.
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EExpertvaishnavi4597
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April 8, 2025 at 11:44 amThere must be someone here who has done a national gazette before. Please explain the process involved if you are reading this -
BBravekiran4796
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April 13, 2025 at 5:12 pmNAL-The system is built to make your life miserable, and you’re getting the full brunt of it.
1. **Gazette Process**: You’re right about having to go through the National Gazette. It’s not just about a name change – this is bureaucratic red tape at its finest. The problem is that you’re being told a hundred things by a hundred people, none of whom seem to understand the rules or care about your situation. The Gazette publication and affidavit thing? They’re meant to cover their asses, but this whole system is stacked against people like your mother.
2. **Witness Requirements**: Now, this whole “Class 1 Gazetted Officers” thing is where you’re getting stuck. For them to sign, they need to be someone of a certain rank, and they’re refusing for no real reason other than “how can we sign if we don’t know you?” Well, that’s the government for you – all they care about is their comfort, not the people who are struggling.
3. **What You Can Do**:
– **Find Local Class 1 Gazetted Officers**: Class 1 Gazetted officers are typically senior officers in government departments. This includes senior police officers, senior revenue officers, or even officials in the municipal corporation. What you need to do is go to a government office where these people are located and ask if any of them would be willing to help. If they still refuse, escalate the issue.
– **Leverage Local Connections**: If you’ve been in the same place for 15+ years, chances are you’ve got some connections, or at least know people who know people. Ask your neighbors, local society members, or anyone with a strong community presence. Get a few people who can vouch for your mother’s authenticity and push for the signatures.
– **Make a formal complaint**: If you’re still getting nowhere, file a formal complaint with the government office in question. The attitude that they’re “too busy” or “don’t know you” is unacceptable. Make it clear that you’re trying to complete an important legal process, and their refusal is creating an unnecessary obstacle.4. **Documents and Authentication**: You’ve got all the right documents. The marriage certificate, the new Aadhar card, PAN, etc. So there’s no reason why anyone should question the authenticity of this process. But remember, the people you’re dealing with don’t give a damn about your mother’s struggle. They only care about not doing work unless they absolutely have to.
5. **What You Can Try**:
– If you have access to any public figures or people in the legal community (lawyers, judges, etc.), ask them for help. Often, these individuals can either sign the affidavit or point you to someone who can.
– Try to approach people at the **district level** or the **block office**, as they may have some flexibility with signature requirements.
– In some cases, **tehsildars** or **registrars** may still be able to help. Keep pushing them, escalate the issue to their senior officers if they refuse.6. **Escalating the Issue**: If nothing works, you might want to send a formal **RTI** or a letter to the Ministry of P&T (Post and Telegraph) about this issue. Their failure to provide assistance or misinterpretation of the rules can be reported. At least that’ll force them to act.
You’re up against the classic Indian bureaucracy, where the rules are set up to make you jump through hoops. You have all the necessary documents, but the people you’re dealing with are refusing to help for no reason. If they won’t sign, escalate, leverage local connections, and don’t take “no” for an answer. Be persistent, because they’ll get tired of you and eventually help just to get rid of you.
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